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bluejay's avatar

This gets at a debate I often have, are the limits to economic growth currently external in terms of resource depletion, or just a consequence of contradictions of capitalism? And I honestly think it's both. You see this in the US with a larger share of profit going to financial services, digital services and the managerial class not and primary production. This means that profits by and large aren't being invested in more assets to create more growth. The growing inequality also means less consumption capacity for workers.

But of course the real question from a sustainability perspective is why do we need growth? And the answer of course is so that capital can make a return... and we can't conceive of a system without capital return. (unless it's feudalism I suppose)

Corporate bureaucracy really could be it's own subject, but I think it does cut against the labor constraint argument. The managers who manage managers aren't really doing any work and their power comes at the expense of the people who actually have to do the job while fending off management.

Of course the good part about the garden is that all such distinctions between production, consumption, labor and just being alive can take a backseat for awhile.

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Feargal O'Neill's avatar

In my own professional sphere of software engineering it has become increasingly easy to build systems of vast complexity to the point where not even their notional creators fully understand what they do. In turn the end users of enterprise systems in sectors like telecommunications face a harder and harder job wrangling these systems towards the ends they are notionally there to serve. Automation, or so-called "closed loop systems" - machines instructing other machines (by "AI" if you must) - is now the holy grail.

This aspect of ungovernable complexity seems pervasive now in every sphere of human activity; the annual budget over runs of the Irish Health Service have become a running national joke, while the service seems to get worse with each passing year. It seems to also be the root of the failure of liberal technocratic politics: unable to solve the problems of the modern world, messaging becomes the one thing remaining that can and must be controlled, which leads to cynicism and disillusionment in the body politic. This was skewered in the recent film "Rumours", where the G7 leaders gathered to agree the wording of a communiqué for some unspecified crisis find themselves mired in an increasingly absurd Beckettian limbo.

Meanwhile voters increasingly turn to politicians who offer them childishly simple explanations and make them feel less unmoored, at least for a while. But the underlying problems cannot be wished away.

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