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Xavier Poux's avatar

Thank you for your post (and more generally, your posts which I read like treats).

Just a quick thought about this one. I do believe that there is something new in the current situation: the fragility of the ecological basis of our society. When we speak about the "environmental" crisis, many people read the "energy" crisis (as if sorting out the energy equation would solve the environmental issues…). My reading of the system is influenced by the strong sustainability approach: ecology is the basis of everything, embedding society, embedding economy, embedding markets (more or less the famous donut I guess). Energy is an economical issue, not an ecological one for me (although, of course, energy mobilisation has huge impacts on ecology).

Indeed, Europe has faced a major eco-fertility crisis of its agriculture at the turn of the Middle age, which worsen the impact of the Great plague and entailed major social changes such as the replacement of slaves by paid workers (Lords had no choice; demand >>> supply after the hecatomb; they had to pay). One can say that something good resulted from this crisis on the long term, called modern Western civilisation. One can also say that on the longer term, it has caused the crisis we are currently facing.

I think we are already experiencing a crisis of our agricultural production, but more profound than the one of the Middle-age because of the combination of climate change and the remanence of the impacts - I am thinking about pesticides amongst other things. I can't see how we can escape a collapse on this basis. We can imagine a bounce, but it might take centuries to reinvent a working socio-economic system (or several co-existing systems). I do see that "working" would need further definition. I am not sure I am able to say, as Günnar would: "it will be the object of a coming post" 😏

Walter Haugen's avatar

I have written extensively on collapse and it forms the starting point for my three books. The global house of cards built on sand which is laughingly called "modernism" is not working so well, is it? By my reckoning, the general collapse of western societies, and specifically the US, started in 1968. The proxy here is the value of the minimum wage, which has gone downhill in inflation-adjusted terms every since. That is, the peak of the US minimum wage was in 1968. The peak of US oil production was in 1970, as measured in conventional oil. The fracking of the last 15 years is a move to lower EROI oil that is treated the same in the statistics as conventional oil. It is not. So there is a lot of lying and shifting goal posts going on. Our troubles are over 50 years old.

If you want to get into the nitty-gritty of collapse, you are going to have to do a dive into a bit of calculus, specifically the difference between inflection points and saddle points. It would also help to understand what the second and third derivatives of the growth economy are. Finally, one has to take a broader perspective and actually become a social scientist. The polycrisis is a generalized term, but it is NOT just about economics. We have a polycrisis (or metacrisis if you prefer) becausel the crises in the political, economic, environmental and social realms are all interactive variables. If you want to understand the problem AND work on solutions, you are going to have to deal with the polycrisis. It is not just a term of art. It is a real problem and an indication that we are in deep shit.

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