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Goran's avatar

Good to hear you talk about the coming decades, without the illusion of eternal growth on our way to the stars.

I recommend a book by the historian Bas van Bavel "The Invisible Hand" about rise and fall of market economies throughout the last 1500 years. It shows how the market arena is part of the state, and how wealth tends to concentrate through monopolies. He also shares very interesting counter-forces, like the medieval guilds and 20th century workers unions.

I lived for a year in Russia in the 1990s, and it was a society where, within a couple of years, unemployment went from 1% to 50%, inflation was more than 100% on a yearly basis and lots of men drank themselves to death. Life expectancy for men dropped from 75 years to 55 years.

Collapse can be quite quick.

At the same time, the rest of the world was booming and was pouring money into the Russian system to restart the economy (and purchase extraction rights).

When the global dollar system crumbles, there is no outside world that can pour resources into the wreck.

Collapse has already arrived to many places on our planet, like Syria, Libya, Yemen...

In my village in South West Sweden, nowadays we only get postal service every second day, and there is no more physical newspaper delivery. In town the police station is almost never open. There is almost no fish in the river anymore. Does that count as the early stages of collapse? What do you think will be next to disappear? What makes sense to you?

We sure live in interesting times.

Yevhenii's avatar

Thanks for the essay. Could you elaborate here on why you think energy and the second law are overstated? I think you're wrong about that. Yes, most systems are dissipative, but the dissipation of natural systems is related to the energy of the sun. Our globalized system of 8.3 billion people is completely dependent on fossil fuels. It is impossible to even imagine supporting this machine with anything other than oil, gas, coal, etc. There was not enough land or wood, for example, to transport all the goods by horses and sailing ships, to cook and heat with wood, to support businesses, servers. What is the value of the Internet, electricity, the supply of water to cities, goods, waste disposal and recycling, and embodied energy, in buildings, three-story buildings, etc. If the Internet disappeared tomorrow, everything would collapse in a year.

We are too connected, too complex, too fragile and large. As for the second law - it works regardless of desire. So you can make an antikythera mechanism in 5 years with the help of firewood and charcoal, as well as abilities and intelligence, but he alone, embodied an incalculable amount of energy, but it is useless (cannot be returned to the system in the form of work). You can get electricity from burning gas, so the amount of energy will be less than the gas consumed. And also much less than the calories consumed by the people who made it, the energy embodied in devices and structures (gas turbine, repair, mining, etc. up to plants and bacteria that, for example, concentrated metals or non-metallic raw materials. In the end, the energy of electricity will be irretrievably spent on screen light, battery heat, speaker sound and transmission inefficiency. It will become useless.

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