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bluejay's avatar

I've been thinking about the modernity question recently. It seems to get thrown around a lot in ecological discussions, but it's not always clear if it's in reference to capitalism, industrial production, enlightenment ideas of the self and rights, or politics as nation states, or when it started.

In my formulation I think the key factor is the division between human and nature that got picked up along the way. I wonder if somewhere along the path to agriculture this became possible or inventible. Also we tend to be bad at imagining what just parts of "the whole package" would be like, if societies with just some of those features are possible.

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I think one of the main flaws of the economic doctrine, from Adam Smith and Marx onwards is the theories of value. Smith said that exchange value (purchase price) is value, Marx that the labor component defined value.

Most people have a learned something in school that Industries create value and Government steals and distributes.

This leads to all kinds of wrong assumptions and decisions on how to navigate reality.

My view on value is that Care, Land and Nature creates value. It is valuable to take care of kids and elderly. It is valuable to grow food. It is valuable to cook food. Natural minerals have value. Waste, violence and war have negative value. (inspired by Graeber, "Towards an anthropological theory of value", 2022)

I used to work in Industry, using mineral fossil carbon to transform valuable iron into products that had a price. Most of the products made the world a worse place, i.e. a negative value to society and the planet. The overall utility of the industry was imho negative.

The corporation used lots of government services (legal system, education, research) and paid no profit tax in Sweden, even though the profits were huge.

In my view, the government was creating value, the industry was destroying value.

I suspect that as long as most people use the neoclassical economic concept of price==value, society will keep promoting destructive behaviors and hail villains as heroes.

What is your theory of value?

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